Opera 7 Beta1 is out

[root]

Using it now. $15USD upgrade fee from Opera 6 lic.
Now I'm waiting for some new skins to show up so theres a choice.
Seems cool and has some new features. Didn't notice any tremendous boost in surfing speed, maybe a little.

[MegaHertz]

TI really like it a lot my only problem appears to be the back and forward buttons on my mouse do not work.

[meneer]

Wow, it's mighty quick :D

Rendering is better. Found one or two sites that look better (err, a bit like IE :rolleyes: ).

Will be worth the upgrade I guess :)

[derekmorton]

Far better render here, AND more speed.
It seems to cache all pages as when you go back a page, it happens instantly.

Derek

[grey ghost]

Hi

Thanks for the info. I’m on my way to download it :)

[MegaHertz]

Originally posted @ my.opera.com
Opera 7 for Windows Beta 2 is released, and it's packed with new features such as Fast Forward, The Wand password manager, one-click skin install and links panel.Got Opera? :D

[root]

Got it, and it is better. Still has a few bugs in page rendering.
Mouse buttons don't work but mouse gestures does and now that I'm used to them, it's cool.
I'm using it steady now. :p

[hayc59]

is Opera better than IE6.0??
i see your all using it and
am a little scared crossing over!!(used ie for so long)
is it similar to IE and can you use OutLook E-Mail
with it?? thanks

[root]

Better means different things to different people. Opera is not susceptable to most of the bugs that IE has to be patched for. It is much safer. It does not use ActiveX at all, so some games, fluff pages are out.
It is fast. If you want to switch, you might try the 6.05 version first as it is stable. Opera 7 B2 is great, but still has a little work to do yet.
You can keep IE and use Opera til you get a feel for it. Set the preferences to what you want. Get some new skins. It's fun.
You can still use OE, but I wouldn't use that program if it were the only email client available. I use Poco. No worms to worry about.
I am attaching a picture of my Opera 7 in a reduced window.
Does it look scary? :D

[root]

Hmmm...... Color didn't come out right on the top and bottom. It looks better than that.
Notice the tabbed windows at the bottom. Once you use tabs, you'll never go back. :p

[hayc59]

i will check into it!! and no it looks harmless--LOL
if i switch can i implement my e-mail into the Opera e-mail setting?
thanks Root for all your help...

[root]

Under file, there is an import function for importing mail, bookmarks, from IE and Netscape I believe.
If you go with the Opera mail in version 7, just set up your account and check it out first. Some people at the Opera beta forum are still complaining about the email.
Like I said, I use Poco, so I haven't used Opera email in a while. It was ok the last time I used it, and I think the newer email is getting a few more functions.

[hayc59]

thanks for all your help!!;)

[bellgamin]

Opera is not susceptable to most of the bugs that IE has to be patched for. It is much safer. It does not use ActiveX at all, so some games, fluff pages are out.
With proper use of security zones, IE is equally as safe as Opera.

As to ActiveX, it is EASILY turned on & off by using security zones -- a process which even my 7-year old great-grandaughter doesn't find difficult. Moreover, ActiveX is not a villain in & of itself. It is merely a programing language which is -- like ANY programing language -- capable of mis-use.

I wonder where one can go to read a list of viruses, worms, or other exploits that are based on certificated ActiveX? I'm not saying there isn't such a list. I'm just asking for actual examples of malware or other exploits based on certificated ActiveX.

Notice the tabbed windows at the bottom. Once you use tabs, you'll never go back.
I agree that tabs are great, but you do NOT have to use Opera in order to have tabbed windows. Avant, Crazy, & MyIE2 [just to name a few] all have tabbed windows, & all use the IE engine.

There are DOZENS of browsers [many of them free] that use tabs. In addition to the 2-dozen or so tabbed browsers that use the IE engine, there are also several Mozilla-based browsers that are tabbed. To see a fairly comprehensive partial list of the MANY tabbed browsers out there, go to...
http://www.geocities.com/tabbedbrowsers/

May I add that not all users of Opera are uniformly ecstatic with version 7, even now that it has gone to beta 2. To see this for yourself, do a bit of research at Opera's forum at...
http://my.opera.com/forums/

Opera's advertisements might lead you to believe that they are the inventor &/or sole source of tabs, 1-click on-off of images, 1-click on/off of pop-ups & java et alia, multi-skins, and such. Not true. Not true at all. There are many many browsers with these capabilities. Just not so heavily advertised. Why? Because, unlike Opera, they are free. It must be remembered that Opera costs $$$ or else, in free version, is burdened with banner ads.

Don't get me wrong -- I like Opera & have a paid/registered version. I bought it once, & not very long ago, either. Now they want me to buy it again. Maybe I will some day -- but in its present state? NO way!

aloha..........bellgamin

[bellgamin]

You might also want to visit this Opera forum thread (http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=8097) and browse through a 10-page list of sites where Opera doesn't work, or mis-renders, or totally freezes, or crashes your system. And the list is still being added to.

Opera also doesn't work with many banking sites, stock brokers, etc.

[root]

Opera 7 is Beta and is offered as such. One should not expect it to be anywhere near bug free.
As for IE and OE, those programs can only be safe IF you have ALL the patches, including the latest, and then only if you get the patch before you get hit with the exploit.
I got very tired of the everyday search to see if I should install another MS patch. I don't like playing that game, sorry.
I also don't trust M$ to apply patches as soon as needed as they have been caught hiding exploit information and patches trying to svfe face on several occasions.
I do not mean to be arguementative about this, but Opera has had two exploits revealed in its lifetime to the best of my knowledge and they were promptly fixed.
I don't care what people use, as long as they have enough information available to make an informed decision.
I like having fun on the internet, so I like playing with Betas, and spometimes I make choices that are not the safest choice to make. Being paranoid takes all the fun out of surfing. But the risks I take are calculated, and I have image backups of my system, so the risk is minimal.

Bellgamin, I like to think of you as my friend, and I will not argue with you about your feelings about IE and Opera. My arguement is with M$ for not giving users a safer product, and I can't believe the bank sites. Thats one of my pet peeves.
Bank sites are one place where you would expect the strongest desire for security and they insist on using ActiveX, probably the most dangerous choice they could have made.

[grey ghost]

Hi

So far I’m happy with it.

Haven’t spent a lot of time at other web sites to check it out, but the ones I normally visit including bank and PayPal are fine.

Need to spend more time learning the enhancements. :)

Regards

[hayc59]

well i just downloaded it and istalled and it kicks rear on IE all around, and i have only checked it out for about 6 hours..i think i have a new browser..no i do have a new browser!!

[grey ghost]

Originally posted by grey ghost
Hi

So far I’m happy with it.

Haven’t spent a lot of time at other web sites to check it out, but the ones I normally visit including bank and PayPal are fine.

Need to spend more time learning the enhancements. :)

Regards

Oops! Sorry Root is right just ran in to a bank with no access.

Well if I only have to use IE for a couple of sites Opera can be used for the other 99%.:)

[bellgamin]

Bellgamin, I like to think of you as my friend, and I will not argue with you about your feelings about IE and Opera.

Root, I am not only your friend, I am also one of your most ardent admirers, both here & over at Wilders.

My comments were aimed at Opera. If it came across that I was criticizing you, please forgive me. That was not my intent. No way!

I bought Opera. I use Opera. I like Opera. But IE & its piggy-backers [e.g., MyIE, Crazy, Avant, NetCaptor, et alia] have been my mainstay-browsers for over 8 years.

In 8 years using IE I have NEVER had a browser-related security problem. Neither have thousands of other users of IE & its piggy-backers who frequent the several long-standing & active user forums that I regularly visit. Have all of us merely been lucky? Perhaps.

Searching for security holes in IE has become sort of a cottage industry. It is a gold-plated way for security consultants such as GreyMagic (http://sec.greymagic.com/adv/) to obtain notoriety & thereby work their way into the paying public's eye.

Am I saying that this a bad thing? No. Far from it. In fact, this constant, steady probing of IE's security has made ALL browsers into safer products.

The main reason why Mozilla, Opera, Netscape et alia seem to have less holes is because finding holes in those products is not as spectacular or profitable as finding holes in IE. If you take away IE, the ever-vigilant, everseeking, security-hole-lust community would direct its attention to other browsers.

I said "the main reason" -- I did not say "the ONLY reason." IE does have a greater propensity toward hole-iness from the standpoint that M$ has so totally integrated it into Windows. Thus, holes in IE can more readily become entry points for malware to work its evil ways upon the OS itself.

This integration was an M$ ploy to kill off its competitors. I find it interesting that this strategy has now back-fired, & is causing most of IE's vaunted security holes, & is costing M$ really really BIG $$$ to fix it.

What goes around comes around. :D

In closing, let me say that MyIE2 is faster and cleaner and smaller than Opera 6.05 or 7.0. And -- by wisely using security zones -- just as safe.

peace to you all............bellissimo

P.S. In my view, the great white hope of browsing at this moment in time is neither Opera nor IE, but Phoenix. But that's a whole 'nother story.