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    Question [Outpost Free] Windows 2000 SP4 and OutpostFirewall free version

    I've got an old Windows 2000 machine that I can't really upgrade but want to keep. I can't seem to get outpost free working on it, although a trial version of 4 worked happily.

    Outpost happily installs, but I never get internet connections. It won't even uninstall through add/remove programs. If I exit it, then uninstall the driver in Network Connections for LAN, then it will uninstall if I manually run the uninst*.exe program.

    Am I going to be totally stuck, or is there a way of getting the free version working on Win2K?

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    Re: [Outpost Free] Windows 2000 SP4 and OutpostFirewall free version

    The free version does support Win2k. So it should be possible to get it working but it may take a little work on your system.

    The problem may be leftover entries from the OP4 install. I would suggest that you use clean.exe while in safe mode to remove OP free. I don't think it comes with the free version but you can obtain it here: http://www.agnitum.com/support/kb/ar...000159&lang=en I've never used it for the free version but it should work and I don't think it will do any harm but it wouldn't hurt to do an image backup just in case.

    Then follow the directions in that article for removing OP4 and if you want to be really sure also follow our extended uninstall FAQ: http://www.outpostfirewall.com/forum...ead.php?t=7188

    Once done, reboot and try installing a fresh download of OP free. Once it installs let it go on auto-learn mode for a bit and let it set itself up. You can always start a new tighter configuration later.

    Lets us know how it goes.
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    Re: [Outpost Free] Windows 2000 SP4 and OutpostFirewall free version

    Thanks Manny,
    There was a bit of stuff hanging around from the old OP4 install, so I ran clean.exe in safemode, then cleaned out the registry using the tool... I also ran ccleaner 3 times against the registry which removed further entries for Agnitum not removed by the first tool.

    I then reinstalled and after the reboot, ipconfig showed:

    Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.45.180
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

    I then uninstalled OP via add/remove (noticing that it's listed under O* - my first attempts to uninstall per the original post were against A* (proving the upgrade hadn't cleaned up))... anyway, after the remove.

    C:\Documents and Settings\User>ipconfig

    Windows 2000 IP Configuration
    Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.5

    so it's still not working right... Any more ideas?

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    Re: [Outpost Free] Windows 2000 SP4 and OutpostFirewall free version

    Ok, so it installed properly, right?

    What's happening is that your DHCP server isn't handing out a proper IP address and your PC gives itself that 169 address.

    It may be the OP is blocking it. Did you see anything blocked in the logs?

    But it shouldn't have if you used auto-learn mode. Did you?
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    Re: [Outpost Free] Windows 2000 SP4 and OutpostFirewall free version

    yup , installed correctly. I even ticked the learn for 1 week.
    Which log would have this? I grep'd for the ip of the router and found this in the netstat4.log file, the only file which has that ip listed in it.

    2009/07/19 09:59:38 new packet connection: UDP/192.168.1.5:68 <- 192.168.1.1:67 <n/a:0> [00000000/00000247] 00000000
    2009/07/19 10:00:12 new packet connection: UDP/255.255.255.255:68 <- 192.168.1.1:67 <SERVICES.EXE:232> [0000007F/0000
    0349] 00000005
    2009/07/19 10:01:41 new packet connection: IGMP/224.0.0.1:* <- 192.168.1.1:* <n/a:0> [00000000/00000381] FFFFFFFC
    2009/07/19 10:03:47 new packet connection: IGMP/224.0.0.1:* <- 192.168.1.1:* <n/a:0> [00000000/000003C8] FFFFFFFC

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    Re: [Outpost Free] Windows 2000 SP4 and OutpostFirewall free version

    If you have these logs that must mean you still have OP installed. Can you not see anything in the Event Viewer. Click the + to open them.

    That above logs indicate that your machine had a proper IP address and was speaking to your gateway. You see this 192.168.1.5 <- 192.168.1.1 in the first entry which I take to mean that your gateway [192.168.1.1] is sending packets to your machine [192.168.1.5]. That looks like a little progress but it's hard to troubleshoot by using the raw logs. See what the viewer has to say.
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    Manny Carvalho
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    Re: [Outpost Free] Windows 2000 SP4 and OutpostFirewall free version

    remember this is the free version. There's nothing useful in the logs via event viewer. I just have ...

    Gui started
    Anti-leak control enabled
    host protection enabled
    self-protection enabled
    firewall enabled
    file operation driver initialized (687.2.3)
    network operation driver initialized (381)
    service started (6.5.1.2725.10028)

    that's the lot, even with enabling maximum logging.

    there is a lot more in the text files now though, however, whatever problem op is causing is pretty low level. Even if I exit the program (which supposedly shuts down the service), it still doesn't work. ipconfig /renew just gives me server unreachable.

    If I got into network connections and untick Agnitum Firewall Driver against the adapter, it then works. That to me is pointing at this driver, ie, a lower level in the stack. I'm using an RTL8029(AS) combo coax/utp 10mbps card. Could this be the probelm - too old a card?

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    Re: [Outpost Free] Windows 2000 SP4 and OutpostFirewall free version

    fixed.. that seems to be the problem. The driver doesn't like old cards. I swapped this old card for a SMC1255TX (also pretty old (but at least 10/100)) and it now works.

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    Re: [Outpost Free] Windows 2000 SP4 and OutpostFirewall free version

    Excellent work.

    The free firewall log viewer only shows blocked traffic so if that was happening then it would have been helpful. Unfortunately, the logs in the free version are pretty weak in the viewer. As you discovered though they can be still read with a text editor but it does take some persistence.

    Figuring out that the issue was with the network card is some excellent detective work on your part. Enjoy the free version. You deserve it!
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    Re: [Outpost Free] Windows 2000 SP4 and OutpostFirewall free version

    the only problem is that now I have phantom agnitum drivers in my hardware list. I found this thread - http://www.outpostfirewall.com/forum...iniport+driver which has the same error I'm gettting...

    unable to uninstall it because it gives me an error saying that "the device may be required to boot up the computer".

    I even tried removing the registry entries in safe mode. even that is not allowed.

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    Re: [Outpost Free] Windows 2000 SP4 and OutpostFirewall free version

    What is it that you are trying to do now? I thought it was working.

    Can you show a screenshot of the drivers and what it says.
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    Re: [Outpost Free] Windows 2000 SP4 and OutpostFirewall free version

    don't worry. I was trying to cleanup the machine. There was an 'unknown device' in the network adapter list, which on investigation belonged to Agnitum. I couldn't remove it, and when I displayed hidden/non-present devices, there were several more, none of which could be removed.

    Now I know what the original problem was, I will reinstall the box. It's quicker.

    Thanks for all your help.

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    Re: [Outpost Free] Windows 2000 SP4 and OutpostFirewall free version

    I got you. And I should have mentioned that with the uninstall instructions. At one point it's sometimes necessary to show hidden non plug and play drivers in device and unistall any that are left over. However, some drivers there are normal during operation. My attachment shows such non plug and play hidden drivers for OP pro in Win7 which are normal for a working installation.
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